Eine offizielle englische Version 2k3 betrachtet.

[Liferipper]

There are already three newer RPG-Makers on sale (even with official English translation), so Enterbrain won't care no matter how many signatures you get.

[Libertia]

Actually, they are caring. If 1000 signatures or more are gathered it's a distinct possibility that this will happen. Check out the links in the topic if you want proof.

[Tetris]

Why should we care about an official version? What is it for?

[Libertia]

Why wouldn't you? It helps them to be inspired to make more of an effort to listen to the fans.
You no longer have to live in shame knowing you've got a pirated copy.
You will legally own it.
It also makes a neat collection item for nostalgia's sake.
You can legally sell a 2k3 game.
You will gain legal usage of the RTP that came with it so that if you want to use it in other RM engines, you can.
You'll be supporting the people who support your hobby - it's almost like you'll be supporting your hobby yourself.
You will no longer be one of the dregs of society who pulls down the rest of your hobby-kin.

Are those enough reasons? Or would you like more?

[Davy Jones]

You no longer have to live in shame knowing you've got a pirated copy.
You will legally own it.
It also makes a neat collection item for nostalgia's sake.
You can legally sell a 2k3 game.
You will gain legal usage of the RTP that came with it so that if you want to use it in other RM engines, you can.
You'll be supporting the people who support your hobby - it's almost like you'll be supporting your hobby yourself.
You will no longer be one of the dregs of society who pulls down the rest of your hobby-kin.

Are those enough reasons? Or would you like more?

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Für alle Englisch-faulen übersetz ich das mal (translation for germanfags):

- Du lebst nicht länger mit der Schande einer Raubkopie.
- Legaler Besitz des Makers.
- Schickes Sammelobjekt zwecks Nostalgie.
- Du kannst dein 2k3 Spiel legal verkaufen.
- Du kannst das RTP legal in anderen RPG Makern verwenden.
- Du unterstützt die Leute die dein Hobby unterstützen - es ist fast so als wenn du dein Hobby selber unterstützt.
- Du bist nicht länger der illegale Abschaum in Sachen Spielentwicklung.

Die fettgedruckten sind mal die wichtigsten Punkte, man könnte sich selber Grafiken zusammenzimmern, das RTP benutzen oder aber Refmap legal einsetzen.
Normalerweise verbieten die Autoren es nämlich, das man ihre Materialien im Zusammenhang mit einer illegalen Version des Makers benutzt, nur interessiert sich bislang kein Schwein dafür. Wenn ihr wirklich legal werden wollt, wäre es sinnvoll sich hierfür einzusetzen nur um wenigstens ein Recht zu besitzen die Grafiken benutzen zu dürfen anstatt die Nutzungsbedingungen zu ignorieren.

->Translation: The bold things are the most important points, people could make custom graphics, using RTP or using Refmal legally.
Usually the Refmap authors forbid the usage of their material in connection with an illegal maker version. Unfortunately, no ass in the community cares about that. If you really wanna be legal, you should sign the petition. At least for having the rights to use the Refmap graphics in a legal way instead of shitting on their terms of usage.

[Wischmop]

I suggest the following:

* Everyone who wants to sign the petition, please do so. Maybe something might happen. Maybe not.
* Everyone who doesn't want to sign - OK, then don't.
* Everyone who doesn't want to sign and keeps on ranting here anyways - shut up. Please. That's annoying. It's troll-free Thursday!

[Davy Jones]

Nicht übel, schon 46 Unterschriften =)

Nice, already 46 signers =)

I'm trying to reach as many as I can. So far I've hit 14 sites.

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Also the Brazilian sites?

[Tetris]

You no longer have to live in shame knowing you've got a pirated copy.

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I feel no shame so far.....

You can legally sell a 2k3 game.

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I make games for free.

[Gala]

I feel no shame so far.....


I make games for free.

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Shut up, you toll.
@Thread: Even signed it while I use a legal copy of one of the newer maker.

[Libertia]

Thanks Gala~
And yes, I dropped some links in a few Brazillian and Indonesian sites. Although, please, if you know any sites I may have missed, post there too. Spreading the word ~

Also, a confirmed price if they do get enough signatures is $20. Nice and cheap~

[Vyzzuvazzadth]

Signed

Let's hope we crack the 1000 signature cap.

Thanks for spreading the word!

[MarcL]

hmhm die Idee gefällt mir, allerdings bin ich noch am überlegen, ob es sinnvoll ist, dort meinen echten Namen, meine echte Adresse bzw. beides einzugeben... vielleicht kann mich ja mal jemand etwas ermutigen...

Richtig nachprüfen können die das ja wohl nicht... haben nur die IP, die Email wird vermutlich bestätigt werden wollen aber das wars dann wohl auch schon...

[BDraw]

Why should we care about an official version? What is it for?

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I think you should reread the debates about the legal questions concerning maker games. The whole discussion about legal ressources hardly makes sense if we don't even care about the legality of the program.

@Topic:
I think EB might have missed its opportunity... I've seen quite a number of die-hard 2k/3 users switch to the VX or the VX Ace recently. Though considering how many people here hesitate to switch programs and how far Cherry has come with his patches, there might (or rather, should) be a lot of users here who'd be quite happy about an official western release.
Personally, I'm thinking about using the VX Ace, so I doubt I'd buy the 2003. But I think I'll sign anyways. xD

Just out of curiosity, how many communities are you asking? 1.000 signatures don't seem many, but the number of 2k3 users isn't that high either. :/

EDIT:

Just a note, take the EULA into consideration. This means you guys shouldn't use patches/plug-ins/external programs if you want to use RPG Maker. I also wanted to add that this was actually requested by a fan and her reasoning was she wants to own a legal copy of her childhood program, which we think isn't a bad idea if it's for the sake of Nostalgia and just a collector's item.

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I think this is where things get difficult. Most people here use heaps of patches and plugins. Then again, buying a program and then infringing the EULA is still better than outright pirating it in the first place - I think...

[Renasci]

The best part is that Enterbrain wouldn't really care about that. The Staff just brought it out to be on the safe side and just mention the EULA as a friendly reminder.The staff edited her post!

Just a note, take the EULA into consideration. This means you guys shouldn't use patches/plug-ins/external programs if you want to use RPG Maker. Not sure about the RPG_RT.exe though since I know it's not illegal to change the icon *hint hint, wink wink*

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[Libertia]

I'm trying to reach as many as I can. So far I've hit 14 sites. I'd really appreciate if anyone added it to others, too. Especially non-English ones! Start a chain reaction, so to speak.

This really is a big deal, though. How many other companies would take a fan's suggestion and run with it when it comes to an older program?

[Libertia]

If you read the topic, you'd see that they didn't throw this idea out there to make money. I asked a staff member I was in touch with if it were possible to get a LEGAL ENGLISH Translation. I'll post up the Chatlog if you like.

[Renasci]

Because Enterbrain could revise the 2k3.

I'll sign it, but these guys should really care for updates instead of throwing out the 1.09 and hope for money. This is not how it works.

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You are missing the point. Enterbrain didn't even thought about translating Rm2k3 to English. A FAN -the thread maker- requested to a staff of the English Publisher of RM (Degica) if they could publish it to the English Audience for the sake of LEGALITY and NOSTALGIA. Please read the thread. At least it shows that EB/Degica/However you'd like to see it is actually listening to their fans.

Owning rm2k3 means you can show off your rm2k3 game anywhere legally since you own it. You can also reuse whatever RTP assets it had in the newer makers since you own it, for whatever reason. Enterbrain has absolutely no reason or interest to bring it in English on the first place. The staff at Degica are RM fans that are acting as a voice for RM* fans to EB.

[The Game]

You are missing the point. Enterbrain didn't even thought about translating Rm2k3 to English. A FAN -the thread maker- requested to a staff of the English Publisher of RM (Degica) if they could publish it to the English Audience for the sake of LEGALITY and NOSTALGIA. Please read the thread. At least it shows that EB/Degica/However you'd like to see it is actually listening to their fans.

Owning rm2k3 means you can show off your rm2k3 game anywhere legally since you own it. You can also reuse whatever RTP assets it had in the newer makers since you own it, for whatever reason. Enterbrain has absolutely no reason or interest to bring it in English on the first place. The staff at Degica are RM fans that are acting as a voice for RM* fans to EB.

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So it wasn't their idea, we all heard you. But actually, this changes nothing, does it? They are considering to release a legal english version, so why would that bother you? Sign it or just shut up.

[Renasci]

That was a reply to someone else and I actually signed and I even quoted him, what are you getting angry at me for? :T

[Davy Jones]

82 signers =)