Offizieller Final Fantasy XIV Thread #4 Waiting for Beta!

[Sepix]

wenn ich die wahl hätte kostenlose charslots (wie im standart halt) und zwischen kostenpflichtigen 3 euro pro char extra..

ist doch klar, dass ich ersteres wählen würde und sag jetzt nicht nein... oh man..

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Natürlich ist es klar. Das Problem ist hier nur das du diese Wahl eben nicht hast womit wir wieder am Anfang wären. ^^

Zum Thema Fanboy ... hier hast du einen Post von mir aus dem Beta Forum und der ist alles andere als positiv:

Dear Square Enix!

First of all, I think we are all glad that we got chosen as Alpha Testers and for the opportunity, to push the game a little bit into the right direction. I know that the Development Team is working day and night to let us testers experience the Beta Version of the game as fast as possible, but there are still a few things that I would like to point out and also a few questions, which I know, wont be answered. I will ask them anyways.


1. The Patcher

I guess the outrageous number of threads and posts regarding that matter is hard to oversee, so I guess you are aware of that problem. However I would really like to know why there was no improvement on it in the last 3 months since we started Alpha testing even though the same amount of complains existed on the first few downloads. I know that a large number of problems is caused by missconfiguration on the user side but knowledge about router and network configuration is not something you can expect from everyone. Especially not when the game goes live because the users will thank you by canceling their subscription after the first trial month. On the other side the patcher clogs the download by using maximum upload speed on lower bandwidths while not using the full potential on faster ones. That is also something you should look into.


2. Communication

As a FFXI Veteran since the US release of the game (which I imported) I was never happy about how you were communicating with us. User feedback had less to no impact back then and the developers were always just some mysterious persons behind the game. I am glad you took us all in here this time to finally hear us out but sadly I don't really feel like you listen to us. I miss actual conversation with the developers like every other MMORPG has it these days and that includes more than a monthly 100 word post from the producer and 1 liner news sprinkled over the weeks to make it look like something happens. We want to know what is happening, what problems occur, maybe a dev diary of what happens in your offices or what you are planning to do next. This is a great chance for you to form a bond with your community as long as it is small as a base to build up from so don't miss it!


3. Support

As stated in the User Agreement and in the invitation you don't offer any support while in the Beta Stage and that is absolutely fine with me. However it would still be helpful to have a FAQ with the most common problems or questions or at least a newpost every week that sums up the user solutions of the forums so newcomers do not have to search through 4 pages of threads to find their answers. I also hope that you have a really good 24/7 support team ready to not end like NCSOFT did last autumn.


4. Community Team

I was very disappointed with the FFXI community team and I must admit I haven't seen or talked to them in a total of 6 years. Where are they this time around? This here is a fresh start and it already goes in the wrong direction in my honest opinion. You should bring in the community team here to chat and talk to us and be the bridge between our and your side if the developers don't want to be here themselves. I would really like to hear opinions to feedback from living people instead of getting a "Thank you for your feedback" every now and then.


5. Payment Options

Rumors say that the payment will be limited to Credit Card only which is rather sad in the year of 2010 when there are tons of alternatives. Game Time Cards for example are a must for every big MMORPG these days. Since you bought Eidos, which distributed the Age of Conan GTCs, you should have a good logistic partner on your side to do the same with FFXIV. Beside that I would really like to see ELV for the German speaking regions in Europe or even Paypal. All that aside I really think we would like to have a clarification on that matter.


6. Extra Character Fee

This is something that shocked many players when you first announced it. In FFXI a extra character had the price of 1€ and was mostly used as a bank character. Since FFXIV will be introducing Retainers for a fee of 1€this problem should be solved but 3€for an extra character has a foul taste added to it. A lot of people feel their freedom restricted because they already pay 13 Euro per month and are still limited to one character. I think a second free character slot would make a lot of people feel much better so they can at least play 2 races or on 2 different servers with friends.


This should round up everything.
I want to add that this here is a simple feedback post of me with constructive criticism and I never intended to upset someone.

I also beg the users of this forum to not split this thread up into an argument. You can agree, disagree or add anything that I might have missed, but any argument against me for writing the above will be ignored

Thank you for your time!

Mal sehen ob der was bewirkt ^^

[Seldio]

Ich muss mal auf zwei Punkte in deinem Beitrag aus dem XIV Forum eingehen:

1.) Geht der Mist wieder los mit KK? Das ist damals schon so verheerend schlimm gewesen, wo die grosse Welle kam mit dem FFXI Europa Release und dem Massenaufschreien von Leuten, die KK-Besitzer gesucht haben die deren Account mit auf die Karte nehmen ( nach Überweisungseingang ).

Ich hoffe doch wohl sehr, das es von Anfang an ELV geben wird - denke auch das SE damit gut gefahren ist seit der Einführung. KK only bedeutet auch weniger Spielerschaft - ist halt immer noch nicht gang und gebe das jeder seine Gold / Platinkarte im Geldbeutel hat.

2.) *mal zitiert*

I think a second free character slot would make a lot of people feel much better so they can at least play 2 races or on 2 different servers with friends.

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Ist es diesmal so, das ich für jeden Charakter individuell den Server festlegen kann? Bei FFXI war es ja anders, da hast du ein zugeteilt bekommen und dann waren alle anderen auf dem ACC auch an den gewählten Server gebunden. Ausserdem war es eine Qual damals zu Beginn dauerhaft Chars zu erstellen bis man den richtigen Server hatte, den man wollte. Das hatte bei mir 2 Stunden gedauert. *graus*

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1.) Gerüchten zu Folge ja. Zumindest wurde es auf der Japan Expo in einem Interview gesagt.
2.) Diesmal kannst du bei der Charaktererstellung den Server wählen. Zumindest ist es so geplant.

[Lagomorph]

Tonkra, kannst du das Thema Zusatzkosten dann bitte endlich abhaken? Nutz deine Energien doch dazu Square zuzutexten anstatt diesen Thread, denn hier bewirken sie eh nichts. Danke.

@ Topic
Das Geschlecht spielt eine größere Rolle als die Rasse? Vermutlich aber eher im Bezug auf die Story als auf die Stats. Mir fällt nur ein Spiel ein das da einen Unterschied machte (Sierra's: Arcanum) und da hatten Frauen lediglich -1 auf Stärke und dafür +1 auf Konstitution.

Hmf, ich hab eben gelesen das Leute welche die CE ordern zwar den Onion Helm bekommen aber nicht die Garlond Goggles. Wobei beide Items lt. einem Interview (den Link hat ff14news.com) Limits haben werden - also vermutlich ab einem bestimmten Punkt nicht mehr effektiv sein sollen.

Merkwürdig das eine CE nicht alles beinhaltet was die Basisversion hat. Aber die Goggles sind wohl nur dazu gedacht, dass die Besteller der normalen Version die CE-Besitzer schneller einholen können, die ihnen 8 Tage voraus sind.


Eine Zahlung auf Kreditkarten zu beschränken wäre ja selten dämlich...

[cejian]

Die Rassenunterschiede waren bei ffxi teilweise schon signifikant. Nicht unbedingt wenn man schon einen job auf maxlvl und Zugang zu teurem equip hat, aber definitiv wenn man bei Null anfängt. Ich kann mich da an einen Galka erinnern der als ersten job RDM auf 75 gebracht hat und der hatte es es definitiv ein gutes Stück härter als ein Taru, trotz RSE und co.

Aber falls die Entwickler ihr aktuelle Konzept nicht noch mal über den Haufen schmeissen sollte es diesbezüglich keine relevanten Probleme in ffxiv geben.

[Gnosis]

Das Geschlecht spielt eine größere Rolle als die Rasse? Vermutlich aber eher im Bezug auf die Story als auf die Stats

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Sind die Frauen von Eorzea nich emanzipiert? ^^"
Die Meldung hat mich damals eh verwirrt. Rassenunterschiede find ich logisch und in FFXI wars imo gut umgesetzt. Selbst wenn man als Galka Mage nen Nachteil gegenüber den Tarus hatte, gemeckert hat darüber niemand solang man seinen Job gut gemacht hat.
Die Sache mit den Geschlechtern kann ich mir allerdings nich vorstellen. Werden die weiblichen Charas in die "Mutter Theresa Supporter Rolle" gezwängt? Das wär nich gerade wünschenswert.

Eine Zahlung auf Kreditkarten zu beschränken wäre ja selten dämlich...

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Ja, das hat SE nach langer Erfahrung mit FFXI wohl auch gerafft

Vielleicht gibt es ja doch noch eine Chance das sich was ändert in der Hinsicht.

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Whoa, wenn das passiert, bin ich Jesus O_o
Das würde ja bedeuten, dass SE ausnahmsweise mal auf jemanden hört O_o

[Loxagon]

SE und auf Fans hören?!

Das passiert niemals!

[Sepix]

SE und auf Fans hören?!

Das passiert niemals!

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Schaun wir mal ... Derzeit hagelt es ordentlich Kritik da sich nun endlich mal jemand getraut hat anscheinend.

Very good post and very civil.. .

From the standpoint of someone who has never played a SE game or dealt with them as a company...

I have played more than my fair share of MMO's and have beta tested twice that many. I was thrilled to be able to help SE bring this game from a raw shell to a polished finished product. I have to say though that I have never experienced such lack luster participation from a game company. It is just barely over non existent.

In this day and age when there are so many MMO's and alternatives out there, one of the primary attributes that will help a game succeed and stand out is their community involvement. Many games that are not so great will hang on forever because they are active with their costumers. Other games that could be fabulous but maybe have ruff starts end up failing miserably because of the lack of the same. SE I implore you.. Pay attention to your customers.. We pay for you to be here after all and your game fails without us. Especially when it has to do with subjects that have so much support.

As it stands right now I will likely not purchase this game simply because I think it is lacking on many areas that I feel are important.. I hope that changes. I wont echo the points others and myself have made on other threads. Just know that as of right now I wont be dragged away from my current game.

I will of course keep testing and giving input in hopes that those concerns or at least some of them are addressed..

Thank you

Great post XXXX.

I think what you and I and most FF players feel is frustration. We love this world and these games. We see the potential from a players point of view of what this game/franchise could be. We as gamers have something valuable to offer and we feel overlooked. FF shouldnt be a "middle of the pack" franchise, it should be out front wondering where the heck all the other games are.. eat our choco dust!

Frustration, yes. That sums it up for me in one word. If you are still playing FFXI after the last version update, you'll know what I mean. I feel Square-Enix are sometimes so out of touch with their playerbase (particularly EU and probably NA, I don't think they're out of touch with the Japanese at all), that we're playing different games.

It's just a wall of silence with any issues we do have though. FFXI for them now is, I feel, a testing ground for FFXIV but I don't want to see the same thing happen. I want them to take part in their game and watch the trends, feel the current playerbase mood, interact with us and actually be a part of this thing they're spending time and money creating. Has to be some sense of possession and pride in there somewhere, SE?

Nice post, op.
Not much else to say, even if I somehow agree with extra fees for extra characters (the only reason to create a second one is using another race, you can actually be anything with only one character), 3€ seems excessive, specially if subscription is 13€ already.

For the extra character fee, i think it's way to expansive, even if we can play every class with just one character. I may want to play with 2 races.

This, and everything else XXXXX and the OP wrote, word for word. XI was really bad in some areas, first among them the devs' non-existent community involvement and the ludicrous character slot fee (seriously, making me pay for some database entries? which I get for free dozens of times over in competing products?). I hoped they would evolve with XIV, but so far it seems they're going backward rather than forward, which I find simply unforgivable and downright dumb. Which is a real bummer, because the game itself seems great and I was really excited about being a part of the testing community, but SE's attitude has put a stop to that.
Right now It feels like they're primarily involved with their home japanese market and throwing some scraps now and then to the US/EU/Oceanic communities, and if they don't come around 180° I will not be on board at launch, no matter how cool the game might be.
And yeah, I'm really frustrated.

Um mal ein paar Beispiele zu nennen.