Xensaga: Episode III - Also Sprach Zarathustra ~ Thread #2

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Abel's Ark, a perceptional phenomenon when UDO's consciousness is at the verge of embodiment. UDO, that exists in the upper domain, with the consciousness(Abel's) /imaginary side, at the time of embodying to the lower domain, that phenomenon creates the Ark. Now, I guess because it's the 'imagainary side', so it gives off the 'gnosis' sign, but this Ark is at a complete different level. When Old Miltia collapses, that Ark itself observed the consciousness of Albedo. It took in the Zohar, in order to observe the lower domain more certainly. After Shion awakens, the Ark reflected the people's consciousness, it accelerates the imaginarylize phenomenon. It detects the operation of Zarathustra(anti-upper domain system created in ancient times), so it takes Miktam to the inside. This act is not to destroy the Zarathustra, it was to exactly observe the movement toward the consciousness of lower domain. And for Abel, the bit I wrote earlier is right, nothing more to add, similaraly with UDO.

As for Locations, just the new ones:

- Arcone Space Harbor
- Arcone Cathedral
- Arcone District
- Imigrant Fleet Isolated Lab
- S-Division
- Dabrye Mine
- Intergrated Adanced Technological Lab
- Draper
- Rennes-le-Chateau

On and on, it's mentioned in the database but we might not go there, so it's sort of pointless to list them all. Lots of these are in Miktam anyway.



The bit with Gaignan and Yuriev. When Albedo decides to go down along with Yuriev/Gaignan's body, Gaignan moves his consciousness to Albedo's body, then transfer Albedo's consciousness to Jr's body. Pretty clever stuff.

The horror with Yuriev in Pied Piper is where he saw the end. That scares the **** outta of him.

Jin, in order to protect chaos and others in the Zarathustra Battle(final showdown of the game?), his life scattered(dead, yes). His heart/consciousness, along with Nephilim and others, to the far far away land, the journey to LJ. His consciousness, like lots of other consciousness, probably taking the long sleep in preparation for the day to come, for the sake of the time when all is collected...

BTW, curse Bamco for killing him.

Meine Fresse....was rauchen die Leute bei Namco...wie kann man SOWAS vergessen von der Demo zu löschen^^'' Naja kann ja auch sein das es eine Art Gag is und es ein" falsches Database" is...naja ich verkneif mir das lesen.

Hm, das ist ja mal so richtig scheiße xD.

Naja, selbstverständlich werde ich mir das nicht durchlesen, da es das meisterwartetste RPG bei mir im Moment ist. Dann möchte ich es lieber "erleben" und auch in der Vollversion selbst in den Genuss der Database kommen.

Also normalweise kann ich mich bei Spoiler-Kästen immer kaum beherrschen, sie nicht zu lesen, aber bei denen hier ist das etwas anderes.
Wenn ich schon die Geschichte und die Geheimnisse von Xenosaga Episode III wüsste, ohne das Game überhaupt gespielt zu haben, dann wäre für mich die ganze Spannung weg.
Deshalb rühr ich die Dinger ausnahmsweise mal nicht an ^.^°

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Hehe, Allen......

That's about it... I think we need some more entries on Shion, I bet we haven't seen what Albedo saw in Episode I when he started laughing like a maniac yelling "Now it all makes sense" and staring at Shion and KOS-MOS together >_>... that still creeps me out.
Allen, grows up through the process, and show off his manly side to shaken off Shion's confusion on the whole thing on Kevin using with KOS MOS and Shion. After the event in Miktam, the distance between their hearts was shortened. In the future, how would he shorten the distance further, the question is his real value for being a man. (bloody database teasing you!)

Canaan has Program Canaan equipped, that's a record element/personality that Lactis' used, basically with with the memories of Lactis', or any Realian with Canaan equipped. For special function of the program, it secures the bypass route to Wilhelm's power. Canaan, who skillfully used Voyager's desire to that power, connects to the consciousness of Voyager to that power, to made an overflow to annihilate himself's body.

Ziggy, at the end of the event on Miktam, after Voyager gone, that was probably its first peace to his heart. Don't know how much time he has left, stuff he can't do in the past like protecting love ones, but as long as the time allows, he will surely focus on life to the fullest, that was a promise to friends that left already.

I checked my Perfect Words for the spelling of Eldridge, searched around the database of Ep3, nope, no sign of it at all.

For chaos, when he regains that power, he releases the power of the Anima and entrusts the possibility of the future to Abel, along with Nephilim who received Maria's power, to invite people's consciousness, then make the dimensional shift to LJ. At the end, he didn't disappear, (and it gets narrative), is it that the fate defined by god or the anti-gods desire his existence? As for the shape of the future, it's still in confused darkness. But chaos believes, the future will begun to be illuminated by radiance of people's hearts...

As for Maria, she is female in LJ in ancient times, a black haired female, the one that divided chaos' anima power. She's with the Messiah, but the database gave this a 'not sure if it's the same as Magdalena'.

Abel's Ark, a perceptional phenomenon when UDO's consciousness is at the verge of embodiment. UDO, that exists in the upper domain, with the consciousness(Abel's) /imaginary side, at the time of embodying to the lower domain, that phenomenon creates the Ark. Now, I guess because it's the 'imagainary side', so it gives off the 'gnosis' sign, but this Ark is at a complete different level. When Old Miltia collapses, that Ark itself observed the consciousness of Albedo. It took in the Zohar, in order to observe the lower domain more certainly. After Shion awakens, the Ark reflected the people's consciousness, it accelerates the imaginarylize phenomenon. It detects the operation of Zarathustra(anti-upper domain system created in ancient times), so it takes Miktam to the inside. This act is not to destroy the Zarathustra, it was to exactly observe the movement toward the consciousness of lower domain. And for Abel, the bit I wrote earlier is right, nothing more to add, similaraly with UDO.

As for Locations, just the new ones:

- Arcone Space Harbor
- Arcone Cathedral
- Arcone District
- Imigrant Fleet Isolated Lab
- S-Division
- Dabrye Mine
- Intergrated Adanced Technological Lab
- Draper
- Rennes-le-Chateau

On and on, it's mentioned in the database but we might not go there, so it's sort of pointless to list them all. Lots of these are in Miktam anyway.

The bit with Gaignan and Yuriev. When Albedo decides to go down along with Yuriev/Gaignan's body, Gaignan moves his consciousness to Albedo's body, then transfer Albedo's consciousness to Jr's body. Pretty clever stuff.

The horror with Yuriev in Pied Piper is where he saw the end. That scares the **** outta of him.

Jin, in order to protect chaos and others in the Zarathustra Battle(final showdown of the game?), his life scattered(dead, yes). His heart/consciousness, along with Nephilim and others, to the far far away land, the journey to LJ. His consciousness, like lots of other consciousness, probably taking the long sleep in preparation for the day to come, for the sake of the time when all is collected...

Nothing really on Citrine that isn't explained in DS ver already. She got the failsafe in case for Jr going berserk, body functions are at the same level of Nigredo through the technology of Salvator. Similar with Nigredo, he has the function to eraze Red Dragon mode. The end of Gaignan's entry made it clear that he disappeared along with Dimitri.

There isn't much to Shion's background aside from what I said, but her consciousness exists from back in the time of LJ, as a maiden(based on the nuance of this term, her role maybe to support Maria's ability in some way), she was close to Maria in those days. In the game, there is a glimpse of her in ancient scenery, but it wasn't KOS MOS' memories, it's her own experience. From KOS MOS' last line, it's said that Maiden Shion(or Shion in those days, whatever you want to call her) got involved in certain accident and lost her life, and we can guess that Maria/KOS MOS wasn't able to save her. The rest is just her finally noticing that Allen's feeling and the big impact on her due to the whole thing with Kevin. The rest is she goes on a journey to LJ. Remains in the Dammerung and rebuild the world, to 1000 years, 10000 years, all the way to the end of the eternal journey, to the moment where the consciousnesses intersect, to whatever awaits them.

Joachim, nothing much. Most of the stuff is already said in the DS ver. He was born in Miktam, with contacts with the Ormus, he created the UTIC. He restored the Song Of Nephilim, created the Heavenly Wheel/Proto Merkabah, 100-Series...etc At the time of the 3rd descent in the Miltian Conflict, the gnosis phenomenon expanded suddently. In order to seal the Zohar(which is the fire of the Conflict) to the Miltian Sector, they overload the Song Of Nephilim and cut off the continuity with the UMN and nearby that Miltian Sector. Looked as a Lunatic by people, but without he sealing off that Miltia sector, the ghosis phenomenon will occur throughout the whole Galaxy Federation section at even more earlier.

For Sakura, her entry doesn't say her death but it's known from DS ver, she sacrificed herself to shielded Albedo from UDO.

And there is no words on what is Wilhelm or where he was born. Still a mystery there.

I meant Gaignan disappears with Yuriev, so it would be something like Gaignan/Albedo's body, Yuriev/Gaignan's body gone.

The bit with Maria's body earlier. 80%+ of T-elos' body is recovered from Rennes Le Chateau, then created Maria's body. Half(spiritual half???) of the body, KOS-MOS of the imaginary side, her consciousness is required to be complete. But when KOS MOS awakens, she defeats Telos, so I guess we didn't get the original Maria back, but something different.

Rennes Le Chateau, thought as part of LJ, floats in space. Looked as the Sanctuary by the Ormus, due to the fact that there is a holy woman there. Obviously, this is where Maria sleeps. The body is within the depths, in some coffin. Kevin recovered it and restored into Telos.

Below that, there is a short entry on LJ. There is mentions of Ormus' goal, to get back to LJ using the Zohar.

Kevin, nothing really. Based on Allen and Shion's entries, probably just using her and KOS MOS. But we will have to play the game and see.

Not much on Virgil's entry. Some of the stuff is in Feb's entry which already said. Nothing good with Miyuki's entry either. But given, she made the MWS Modified ver for Shion, especially with the defense, the phase space shield is at least 3 times more the output. Plus, she made it compact so it won't get in the way if Shion uses juujutsu.

I don't think there is much for Bamco to say, it's the Monolith Soft programmers' fault for putting all these stuff in it. But, it did put up for about a month before it got hacked, ^_~. I have the idea that they did it on purpose for additional hyping. They clearly shown they don't mind to give out spoilers in trailers...

As for the leaked document, well, Feb being the mother is not entirely wrong. She is the motherly model created first then the other 3 were created. And for Maria, my bad since I forgot something, she is said to be the 'taiteki'(as in soutaiteki) existence of chaos. That term roughly mean an equal/opposite(as in oppose gender?) existence.

Lemegeton, a program used to control the Zohar. Back in the time of LJ, a programmer of Vector, Grimore Verm, built this program which can produce specific wavelength. Not only with the Zohar, it also has influence on the gnosis, that was how he manipulated the gnosis and started the "Gnosis Terror" which takes place about half year after Ep2. During the Miltian Conflict, this program was fragmented and spreaded through the UMN. Half year ago, Grimore collected all the fragments and rejoined then. But after the "Gnosis Terror", the program's whereabouts is unknown due to Grimore's death. Formerly, Joachim was using this program to create Song Of Nephilim and UDO System, which are all for controlling the Zohar. Lastly, the true is, Lemegeton is one of the words some man left behind, back in the ancient times. Grimore analyzed it, and made the program. And the man that left behind this word, chaos.

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Hehe, Allen......

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Sach ma, liest du dir selbst das alles durch?

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Sach ma, liest du dir selbst das alles durch?

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Yup, natürlich. Ich störe mich eigentlich selten an Spoilern... hier brauchte ich aber schon etwas Überwindung. :)

Obwohl, die eh schon grossen XS-Wirren bzgl. all diesen Bewusstseinsebenen in Kombination mit Koulis manchmal nicht ganz perfektem Englisch machen das Verständnis hie und da doch arg schwer. :(

Aber es bleibt ja auch noch das Game zu spielen....

Hab das Game Gestern bei Game.TV gesehen und ich muss sagen das es mehr ein Film oder besser gesagt Blockbuster ist anstatt ein Game. Die Story ist 1A aber das Kämpfen usw. gewaltig nervt. Am besten wäre es wenn es Deutschen Synchro hätte mit Stimmen wie von 2Fast 2 Furios wo es echt 1A klingt, dann hätte ich die Bonus DVD und das Spiel gerne angekuckt :D

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Hab das Game Gestern bei Game.TV gesehen und ich muss sagen das es mehr ein Film oder besser gesagt Blockbuster ist anstatt ein Game. Die Story ist 1A aber das Kämpfen usw. gewaltig nervt. Am besten wäre es wenn es Deutschen Synchro hätte mit Stimmen wie von 2Fast 2 Furios wo es echt 1A klingt, dann hätte ich die Bonus DVD und das Spiel gerne angekuckt

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Oh, hast du Xenosaga denn schon mal gespielt?
Wenn nicht solltest du es wirklich mal nachholen, denn es ist wirklich eine ziemlich gute Spielreihe!!
Außerdem spielt man immernoch mehr, als das man sich Zwischensequenzen anschaut, von daher kann man es wirklich nicht als einen Film bezeichnen, sondern eher als ein Rollenspiel mit viel Story...wobei die Story schon ziemlich imposant aufgezogen wird...
Die Sprachausgabe ist imho sehr gelungen, sowohl in Teil 1 als auch in Teil 2! Besser könnte keine deutsche Synchro sein (vorallem Albedos englische Stimme ist der Knaller :) )
Achja, zu 2 Fast 2 Furious: Paul Walker rulez!!!

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Jepp, das stimmt, zumindest, wenn man meine explodierten Trommelfelle und blutenden Ohren fragt...

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Kaum lobt jemand die englische Synchro, kommt er angekrochen. Wohl sowas wie ne Beschwörungsformel http://www.com-gf.de/smilies/zwink.gif

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Kaum lobt jemand die englische Synchro, kommt er angekrochen. Wohl sowas wie ne Beschwörungsformel http://www.com-gf.de/smilies/zwink.gif

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Nah, Shieru ist doch bekennender Freeman-Hasser, nicht war? ;)
Ich kann das aber nicht ganz nachvollziehen, mich mag Albedos (und Arbels Stimme), sowohl als US wie auch als JP.

Ich persönlich finde die englische Synchro von XS eh allgemein sehr vorbildlich... so müssen US Voices tönen. Da können noch einige was lernen.


@ovanix: Nun, XS wird offizielle als "cineastisches RPG" vermarket... und daher ist auch der Gameplay-Anteil entsprechend gering. Das ist aber nichts verbotenes. Und ja, falls du die beiden Teile noch nicht gezockt hast, solltest du deas unbedingt mal nachholen.
Deutsche Stimmen? Naja, wenn schon Blockbuster (das sind übrigens nicht nur Filme) wie FFX keine D-Voices bekommen, dann bestimmt auch nicht ein Nischenprodukt wie XS....

omfg...es sind einige extrem spoilerhafte pics im Netz aufgetaucht. Ohne irgendwas vorwegnehmen zu wollen: Es _scheint_ fast so, als könnten sich Xenogears Fans auf _einiges_ gefasst machen...

Mann...ich hasse, hasse, HASSE das Internet!!!

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omfg...es sind einige extrem spoilerhafte pics im Netz aufgetaucht. Ohne irgendwas vorwegnehmen zu wollen: Es _scheint_ fast so, als könnten sich Xenogears Fans auf _einiges_ gefasst machen...

Mann...ich hasse, hasse, HASSE das Internet!!!

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Kann man also davon ausgehen, dass es sowas wie ne Verbindung gibt? Ich will nur ein ja oder ein nein (eventuell auch ein vielleicht), aber bitte keine Details.

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Kann man also davon ausgehen, dass es sowas wie ne Verbindung gibt? Ich will nur ein ja oder ein nein (eventuell auch ein vielleicht), aber bitte keine Details.

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Vielleicht. Sicher ist aber schonmal, dass es in XS3 mehr XG Referenzen geben wird als in den ersten beiden Episoden zusammen. Die haben echt ein paar...sehr unerwartete Sachen in das Spiel gepackt. Ein sehr netter Fanservice. Mal sehen, ob noch mehr dahintersteckt...

http://beta.yousendit.com/transfer.p...67227205F3AF73

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Naja, so große Spoiler sind das gar nicht. Das ist fast alles bisher aus den Trailern bekannt (und wohl auch von dort gegrabbt)

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Ähm, nein. Das sind Preview Pics zu fast allen cutscenes im Spiel. Die stammen aus der ominösen Demo, der wir schon die ganzen Database Spoiler zu verdanken haben...

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Trotzdem kennt man einen Großteil der Szenen bereits aus Trailern ^^

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Nicht die XG Referenzen auf die mich mich beziehe. Guck dir einfach mal den folgenden Thread etwas genauer an:

http://www.labyrinthos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3713

Edit: oder diesen:

http://xenolegacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3118

*lol*
Überall steht in diesen Foren, von wegen "HUGE SPOILER" etc. und mir sagen diese Bilder rein gar nichts ^^
Vielleicht gut, dass ich bis jetzt Xenogears noch nicht gespielt habe....

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Jo, das ist mir auch schon aufgefallen - aber IMO nix, weswegen man (oder zumindest ich) aus dem Häuschen fahren müsste ^^

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Naja, allein das vermeintliche auftauchen der Eldridge sollte für jeden XG Fanboy eine ziemlich spektakuläre Angelegenheit sein. Mal sehen ob sich das Ganze bewahrheitet

Es geht nur um die Mechas?

Nee, auch nichts, wo ich meinen Fanservicebedarf dran decken könnte...

BTW: Laut E3 Line-Up ist XS 3 ja schon für diesen Herbst in den Usa angekündigt o_O